01 / THE SIGNAL

我们发现了什么

我们为何应该与 AI 共事而不是畏惧它:一种哲学视角。几天前,有个人对我说:“你会享受利用自然以及抢走就业市场的。”尽管批评或仇恨言论通常不会影响我(我尽量不让它影响),但这次还是影响了,也许是因为其中有些道理,而且我内心感到一种责任。

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02 / SOURCE & EVIDENCE

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中文辅助译文(全文)

几天前,有人对我说:“你会享受利用自然并占领就业市场的。”尽管批评或仇恨言论通常不会影响我(我会尝试不受影响),但这次确实影响了,也许是因为其中有几分道理,而且我内心感到一种责任。AI 确实正在给世界制造许多问题。生态方面(数据中心的碳排放)、经济方面(就业市场饱和)、心理方面(与 AI 的关系也会导致许多分手、焦虑和自杀),未来还可能是生存层面方面的(据一些专家称,它可能具备摧毁整个人类文明或使人类变得无关紧要的能力)。但它也在对社会产生许多积极影响。它解决了许多重大科学问题,让教育和学习变得前所未有地轻松,而攻克癌症和中风也是构建 AGI 的首要目标之一。即使未对齐的 AI 有可能导致人类灭绝的可能性,如果这种情况没有发生,那么我们肯定会因为没有更早攻克这些问题而让数百万人死去。我们可以把它与一种情形作比较。想象你站在火车前,手里握着一台机器,如果不按下按钮,就会有 10 个人死亡(其中包括你的父亲、母亲或所爱之人,而每个人都是某个人的挚爱)。但如果按下按钮,而你无法在 5 分钟内让火车停下,那么你、你周围的每个人(很可能有 800 人)以及那 10 个人都会死亡。但你知道,根据大多数研究这一主题的研究者的说法,你无法让火车停下的概率是 10-20%(即使我们对此略持怀疑),而你能够让它停下的概率是 80-90%。那么,你会按下按钮来拯救那 10 个人吗?我之所以这样说,是因为未对齐到一定程度的 AI 确实可能导致人类灭绝。根据同一批研究者的说法,人类未能控制 AI 的概率平均约为 10-20%。但 AGI 或许也能攻克癌症,而每年有数百万人因此死亡。我的祖父就是其中之一。

你可以说,AGI 攻克癌症尚未得到科学证明,只不过是大多数研究者的希望。但那个 10-20%(即灭绝的概率)实际上同样不是基于任何科学事实或数学定理。其次,这并不是唯一一个可以采用这种类比的情形。如果再次考虑这个类比,按钮实际上已经被按下了。因此,在这 5 分钟内有 3 类人: 1. 试图利用它、控制它或推动它发展的人,这样人们就不会受到伤害,而它也能继续发展。2. 没有思考这件事的人。3. 试图阻止它、反对它的人。好吧,现实并不是如此非黑即白,而是混合在一起。但无论如何,这股趋势无法阻挡。因此,我们只有 3 种选择:为此采取行动(利用它、尝试控制它等)、对此毫不关心,或者反对它。它永远不可能被阻止。即使我们在一个国家或许多国家阻止它,也几乎不可能没有人会继续构建它。(据报道,中国开放模型仅落后美国约七个月,而美国曾于 2026 年 6 月对其两款顶尖模型实施出口管制,后来又取消了。此外,一旦模型的权重公开,就没有人能将其收回。)你如何知道是否有人或某个团体正在秘密尝试构建它?你如何保证我们会知道?我认为第一种选择是最佳且最理性的立场,因为这是我们保护尽可能多的人的唯一途径。是的,它会产生影响并制造许多问题,但这些问题终究也是问题;如果是我们创造了它们,我们就有责任去解决,而不是仅仅恐惧它、散播仇恨言论或接受它。解决它是我们的责任。

译文由上游机器翻译生成,可能有误;判断请以英文原文为准。

英文原文(来源本站未改写)

A few days ago, one person said to me, “You will enjoy exploiting nature and taking the job market.” Though criticism or hate speech doesn’t usually affect me (I try), this did, maybe because there is some truth in it, and I felt a responsibility inside.It is really true that AI is creating a lot of problems in the world.Ecological (data center carbon emissions), economic (job market saturation), psychological (relationships with AI cause a lot of breakups, anxiety, and suicide too), and in the future maybe existential (it may have the capability to destroy the whole civilization or make humans irrelevant, according to some experts).But it is also creating a lot of great impact on society.

It has solved many big scientific problems, made education and learning easier than ever, and solving cancer and stroke are among the top goals of AGI building.Even if there is a probability that non-aligned AI will cause extinction, if it doesn’t happen, then surely millions of people will die because we did not do it earlier.We can compare it with one scenario.Imagine you are standing in front of a train.You have a machine in your hand, and if you don’t press it, 10 people will die (among them your father, your mother, or your lover, and everyone is someone’s loved one).

But if you press it, and you can’t break the chain within 5 minutes, then you, everyone around you (likely 800 people), and those 10 people will die.But you know that, according to most researchers on this topic, the chance that you cannot break the chain is 10-20% (even if we are a little skeptical), and the chance that you will break the chain is 80-90%.Now, will you press the button to save those 10 people, or not?I’m saying this because it’s true that a level of non-aligned AI can cause the extinction of humanity.According to the same researchers, the chance of humans failing to control AI is about 10-20% on average.

But AGI can probably also solve cancer, where millions of people die every year.My grandfather was one of them.You can say that AGI solving it is not proven science, and that it is only the hope of most researchers.But that 10-20% (about extinction) is also not based on any scientific fact or mathematical theorem actually.Secondly, this is not the only case.If we consider that analogy again, the button has actually already been pressed.So there are 3 kinds of people in these 5 minutes: 1.Those who are trying to use it, control it, or grow it, so that people don’t get hurt and it grows. 2.Those who don’t think about it. 3.Those who are trying to stop it, who are against it.

Okay, this is not that black and white, and it’s mixed in reality.But anyway, this is unstoppable.So, there are only 3 choices for us: do something about it (take advantage of it, try to control it, etc.), don’t care about it, or be against it.It can never be stopped.Even if we stop it in one country or in many countries, there is very little chance that no one will build it. (Chinese open models are reported to be only about seven months behind the US, and the US put export controls on two of its top models in June 2026, which were later removed.Also, once a model’s weights are public, nobody can take them back.) How do you know if someone or some group is trying to make it secretly?

How can you guarantee we will know?And I think the best and most rational position is the 1st, because it’s the only way we can protect the largest number of people.Yes, it will have effects and create many problems, but those are also problems, and if we created them, it’s not our responsibility to just fear it, spread hate speech, or accept it.It’s our responsibility to solve it.

出处https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50271924抓取日期 · 采集源 Hacker News

03 / EVIDENCE GAPS

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  • 只有单一来源找一手站点或其他渠道是否重复出现同一产品;社区热帖数量不等于商业进展。

通用验证清单(谁有这个问题/谁愿意付费/一个人能交付哪一小步)见我们的筛选方法。

04 / SIGNAL HISTORY

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